Sunday, 18 July 2010

States of confusion

One day I'm informed the President of the US is a Marxist-Leninist, the next that he's a Republican. The latter seems a darned sight closer to the truth. But as Brit pointed out somewhere: whatever is true of the US, the reverse is just as true.

12 comments:

Kevin Musgrove said...

The political rhetoric of the United States always reminds me of two aggressive drunks shouting insults at each other over a pork barrel until neither can remember quite where they were sitting in the first place.

Vern said...

The dude forgot to mention that Obama is on record as being opposed to gay marriage, and that rather than simply continue Bush's war policies he has ramped many of them up- more drone attacks in Pakistan + the unprecedented execution order on Anwar Al Awlaki, a US citizen, that does not seem to bother most critics of Bush at all.

Vern said...

That Mark Williams dude is out, by the way:

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/18/tea-party-federation-boots-williams-over-blog-post/

Sir Watkin said...

The U.S. is a revolutionary state, so all its (loyal) citizens must by definition be left wing, even if they are not quite Marxist-Leninists.

The fact that there the party named after a dangerous left-wing idea (reupblicanism) is considered right wing is a measure of how far left the centre of U.S. politics is.

Brit said...

I'm a bit surprised that the right hasn't plumped for "Obama bin Laden" as the nom de hysteria.

Gaw said...

Kevin: '...whilst they polish off the pork'.

Vern: I thought you'd disagree that Obama could be mistaken for a Republican. If you agree, why don't you like him more?

Good Williams is gone. But it should have been after his first response. Anyway, mustn't carp.

Sir Watkin: That's a great way of putting it. Arguing with Americans can be very much like arguing with the French for the very reason you provide. Their soi disant conservatism is so very radical.

Brit: It's happened, many times too. Try googling it.

Vern said...

Because I think they're all a pack of swine, GAW. To quote the creators of South Park- I hate Republicans, but I really hate Liberals. (And their handmaidens in the press, etc.)

Vern said...

... and further to your point it occurs to me that perhaps Obama gets up my nose because he's a shitty Republican, a lukewarm, watery simulacra.

Take for example his admin's raids on workplaces that hire illegals. Fines are slapped on the workplaces, and the illegals are fired. But then they are left to hang about unemployed- they are not deported. But they can't work either.

A true, evil Republican TM would of course chuck the workers out the country. A bleeding heart liberal would cancel the workplace raids.

Obama dithers about and comes up with a stupid compromise, that goes halfway to satisfying both positions, but is ultimately a shitty, watery, pseudo- Republican stance that satisfies nobody. Can you say crrrap? Yes we can.

Hey Skipper said...

Obama's desires are socialist, reality is conservative.

Mark English said...

I'm interested in Obama's (and H. Clinton's) links with Saul Alinsky. Now he WAS a left wing radical and they both have past links with the Alinsky movement. I'm not saying they (still?) believe in Alinsky's ideas, but the ideas are pretty scary (I'm not an expert but have read extracts from Alinsky's writings) and sometimes you can get a sense of where someone is coming from by knowing about past affiliations. (What particularly bothers me is the Alinsky attitude to honesty and truth - he doesn't believe in those sorts of values...I know one could say most politicians don't...)

Gaw said...

Vern: Being a moderate sometimes means splitting the difference I suppose. The American system requires so much compromise and renegotiation to get anything done, it's not surprising you get some perverse outcomes.

Skip: I think Obama is no more or less a secret socialist than FDR or Johnson.

Mark: I don't know enough about how they were linked with Alinsky or what he represented. But I do incline to Cameron's dictum: 'when I was young and foolish, I was young and foolish'.

Vern said...

Or is it not better to do nothing than to do something shit? Not if you're a politician I suppose. Always got to be seen to be acting even if the actions are bogus.